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Do Economists Matter?

9:45 AM Wednesday December 17, 2008

Tags:Economy, Financial crisis, Recession

Check out this post at Real Time Economics summarizing various economists' response to the Fed's latest (dramatic) rate cut.

None of them talk about more than the long-run risks of inflation, quantitative easing, or near-term deflationary prospects. Wow -- talk about beating a dead horse.

The question these non-responses beg is: If growth depends on how the economy is organized and managed, do economists matter?

We can't fix today's problems unless we change yesterday's rules. But economists -- and the models they rely on -- are bounded by yesterday's rules.

For most economists, the economy can only be organized and managed in a very specific set of ways -- by orthodox institutions: evil corporations, pump-and-dump brokers, profit-seeking investors, you know the score. Yet it is exactly that set of institutions that got us into this mess.

Here's my answer: what we need far more than forecasts from economists powered by models made of Play-Doh are new concepts, ideas, and innovations from revolutionaries building new kinds of institutions.

The fundamental constraint our economy faces isn't money, forecasts, or models -- it's DNA.

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Keep in mind, it were the economists' models (based on historical data) that predicted this crisis hook, line and sinker, but the Street wasn't interested in all of that "academic research". Perhaps the MBA's will start listening to us more closely next time.

- Posted by Mark 
December 17, 2008 12:04 PM

“In my youth it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics.” Ronald Coase

- Posted by Genghis 
December 17, 2008 9:08 PM

"Keep in mind, it were the economists' models (based on historical data) that predicted this crisis hook, line and sinker, but the Street wasn't interested in all of that "academic research"."

In fact, most economists were very bullish on the economy, using their typical straight-line extrapolation to forecast the future. The minority that now dominates the headlines were actually few and far between, and it will still be debatable as to whether they have true understanding or they're just contrarians that happened to be right because of the broken clock theorem.

Economists have been useless relics for some time now, and the naivete of Bernanke's ZIRP policies is a reflection of the fact that models based on historical realities do not work in a dynamic environment that appears to be more closely related to complexity theory. A friend of mine argued that Paulson's stimulus package would work based on the Flow of Funds models. Not being educated about that model, I looked it up and I can't validate the model what-so-ever. I'm pretty sure it's an anachronism from a bygone era that I'm not sure really ever existed. What I do know is that if there aren't any good credits in the form of consumers or businesses, then pumping additional capital into banks to lend will not do any good. We need jobs and we need companies to have upward trending projections and then there will be demand for goods and credit. Right now we have neither of those and therefore we will not be able to "relever" our way out of this mess.

- Posted by Debunkr 
December 22, 2008 4:44 PM

I don't think you can really say most economists were bullish on the markets, just as I can't say most were bearish. I do know, however, that there was no shortage of papers and published opinions stating that we were nearing an era of extreme volatility and that a bubble was forming around many of the derivative products that had emerged in recent years, and it was near bursting. Further, there was no shortage of economists showing how fundamentals were completely off in the housing sector and how that bubble forming would result in significant systemic threats. But, either way you look at the crisis, we all really missed it. I agree that there were really only a few people who came out "predicting" the crisis, but even at that, no one predicted it would be this bad. However, I don't think you can say economists are useless relics. Perhaps many economic models are more theoretical in nature and cannot effectively predict in a dynamic environment, but trust me when I say that goes for *any and all* models! That's one of the largest contributors to the high amount of volatility we're experiencing in current markets - too many traders and asset managers relied far too heavily on quantitative models that could not take into consideration all of the variables present in the marketplace at the time. A model is only as good as the variables and assumptions it includes. So, based on what you're saying, if economists are useless, than so are quants, financial engineers, and essentially anyone who relies on *any* financial models to guide their investment strategies. The catch 22 here, though, is that operating without any models most likely means you are operating blindly, without fully taking into consideration the variables at hand. Better to have a model that accounts for 90% of the variables rather than operating blindly. Either way, in this crisis, the variables that were missed were enough to lead to widescale systemic failures. But the unique thing is that the things everyone missed were not unique, hidden or even difficult to spot. They just ignored them. Things were too good for too long. So, economists aren't useless; they just can't be expected to do everything, nor can traders, investors, or otherwise market stakeholders.

- Posted by Mark 
January 1, 2009 8:32 PM

Hi Mark,
Yes, I really can say most economists were bullish on the markets. Just because you can find exceptions speaks to selection bias, not the general population at the time. And with regards to severity, Nouriel Roubini not only predicted this level of economic destruction, he's on the record for much worse.
Regarding financial models, some are better than others. My main beef with economists is that they're kind of like quantum physicists -- they've got everyone convinced they're smart, but no one has any idea what they are talking about and the evidence shows that their work isn't applicable. Economic models generally seek "The Grand Equation" that can explain how our economic systems work. However, the simplifying assumptions generally destroy the real predictive power because the science is in the details, not a cute summary equation that gets you a Ph.D. I think it's amusing that the best recent economic work has been done by people showing how the general economic assumptions are false (e.g. rational actors v. behavioral finance theory).
Also this idea that "our models aren't really supposed to predict anything" is bunk. I've created bankruptcy models of companies that were extremely effective at demonstrating not only when but how a company would fail. This was because I spent a great deal of time incorporating the necessary detail required to achieve this. The simplification assumptions that exist in general economic models generally destroy their effectiveness.
I think what you're getting at is that they help to identify the major mechanisms at work and can be effective education tools. I agree, but they shouldn't be in the front lines as economics doesn't get close enough to the front lines of the data and business to be effective.
The recent pointing towards the disconnection between rents and prices is a red herring. The disconnection isn't why prices are coming back down, the lack of extremely loose credit underwriting standards are. There are significant reasons why the price of owning an asset should be much greater than the price of renting it. And I could argue that those reasons have only increased significantly over time. While relative pricing is one variable, it's not the only one and it's certainly not the reason for the current real estate price deflation.
I apologize for the rambling nature of this response, but I don't have time today to edit this.

- Posted by Debunkr 
January 2, 2009 10:58 AM

Looks like someone else is calling into question the value of economists...
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/why-so-little-self-recrimination-among.html

- Posted by Debunkr 
January 13, 2009 1:04 AM

Jeremy Grantham eloquently illustrates the fallacies of modern economic thinking, with another nod to weak assumptions of actor rationality.
http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JGLetter_4Q08.pdf

- Posted by Debunkr 
January 23, 2009 2:36 PM

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